It doesn’t much matter what words they shout from the great and spacious building when they are trying to shout the prophets down.  The point is the noise.

But for the curious, today’s chant is “mourn with those that mourn, it’s a baptismal covenant!” Even the SJW can quote scripture for his purposes.


Our friends have pointed out that they are misquoting.  “Mourning with those that mourn” isn’t the whole of the baptismal covenant in Mosiah, or technically even part of it.


Here’s the scripture:

Desires that people have that lead them to baptism

Behold, here are the waters of Mormon (for thus were they called) and now, as ye are desirous to come into the fold of God, and to be called his people, and are willing to bear one another’s burdens, that they may be light;


9 Yea, and are willing to mourn with those that mourn; yea, and comfort those that stand in need of comfort, and to stand as witnesses of God at all times and in all things, and in all places that ye may be in, even until death, that ye may be redeemed of God, and be numbered with those of the first resurrection, that ye may have eternal life—

The actual baptismal covenant

Now I say unto you, if this be the desire of your hearts, what have you against being baptized in the name of the Lord, as a witness before him that ye have entered into a covenant with him, that ye will serve him and keep his commandments, that he may pour out his Spirit more abundantly upon you?


But pass over the fact that it’s arguably  not in the covenant. That’s no great error. We Mormons ourselves sometimes talk as if it is.  The more serious problem with the proof-texting is ignoring other components, like “stand as a witness of God at all times and in all things, and in all places that ye may be in, even until death.” That sounds serious.

But the biggest problem is their assumption that the Nephites shared the SJW belief that emotions are unquestionable and can’t be required to be reasonable. Its a crazy belief. Its also a crazy assumption.  No one thought like that historically.  The Book of Mormon means mourning with people who have a legitimate cause for grief.  In other words, people whose loved ones have died.  That is indeed a legitimate loss.

Losing the privilege of belonging to a church you don’t believe in isn’t a legitimate loss.  The “mourning” these Mormon-themed progressives want us to share is more akin to the unhappiness in wickedness that Nephi’s brothers experienced, on the unrepentant sorrow of Mormon and Moroni’s Nephites. Neither Nephi nor Mormon nor Moroni went very far out of their way to offer group  hugs and hankies.

Fortunately, the saints are too familiar with real hardship and real mourning to be much taken in by all this.

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